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Shouting Takes Over Lungren Town Hall in Carmichael

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A town hall meeting in Carmichael hosted by (R-Gold River) on Wednesday became a shouting match between some opponents and supporters, perhaps echoing the national tone heading into the November elections.

Carmichael honorary mayor Esteban Nava invited people inside a packed room at to act civil and most in the crowd did, until Lungren walked into the hall. The group turned heated at times, with opponents booing and making catcalls as the congressman spoke and supporters telling them to be quiet.

"Ninety percent of you have been civil while 10 percent of you may think civility is a lost art," said Lungren, who is running against , an Elk Grove Democrat, in November.

Lungren began the town hall meeting by addressing issues he said had been brought up during past town hall meetings, including the war in Afghanistan, Pell grants and the economy.

"It's a fiscal mess in DC," he said. "We're spending $4.1 billion a day that we don't have... we can't continue this way."

Lungren said he supports the budget plan introduced by , calling it "a sensible, straightforward, honest budget...that does not cut education."

The town hall meeting was then opened to questions and comments from the public.

"For those of you who have come to past town halls, I'm totally embarassed that your concerns cannot be answered over the shouting of some people," said Pam Pinkston of the Carmichael, and Fair Oaks Tea Party group. "All you (Lungren opponents) can think about is where your next government entitlement is coming from."

A few speakers questioned Lungren about what they said are his plants to cut Medicare.

"You (politicians) should stop playing politics with our health care," said Joe Mora of Sacramento County. "We need health care."

Wednesday's town hall meeting came after heated gatherings last week in and . More than 80 members of the CREDO SuperPAC, which protested the Elk Grove meeting, were outside Carmichael's event on Wednesday before the meeting.

"(Lungren) is willing to send seniors off a cliff with his plans to cut Medicare," said organizer Mark Hefflinger. "For the good of their grandchildren, California seniors need to send Dan Lungren packing in November."

Lungren ended the meeting by answering questions, as some speakers were left waiting in line and others continued to shout from around the room.

"Some of you think government ought to be bigger," he said. "I believe government should be limited."

After the meeting, people gathered outside, still talking about the tone of the debate.

"I've been to mutliple Dan Lungren meetings... and he's dishonest," said Carmichael resident Anne Shaw, who carried a "Seniors Against Lungren" sign.

William Payne came from the Florin neighborhood in South Sacramento, where he said Lungren has not visited.

"We need jobs and health care," said Payne, who works in construction. "We have to establish jobs in Florin; we're still a part of the community and (Lungren) won't come to our area so there's a lot of frustration."

A Lungren spokesman addressed the congressman's stance on senior issues to Carmichael Patch on Thursday.

"The facts are clear. The Ryan budget makes no cuts to Medicare for anyone currently 55 or older," said Jeff Wyly. "Obamacare on the other hand makes over $700 billion in cuts to Medicare."

Lungren wrote the following on his Twitter feed @RepDanLungren on Thursday: "I enjoyed hearing from my constituents last night in Carmichael- thx (thanks) for coming. That was my 7th town hall this year and 65th since 2005."

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Were you at Wednesday's town hall in Carmichael? What did you think of the tone? Do you support Congressman Lungren or Ami Bera? Tell us why in a comment below.

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Anne Shaw August 23, 2012 at 02:17 PM
If Congressman Lungren were an honest man, he would deny that 'corporations are people'. With Citizens United, we no longer have a government 'Of The People, By The People, and For The People' -- a democracy. What we have is an oligarchy -- a goverent 'Of The People, By The Corporations, and For The Corporations'. If the Congressman were honest, he wouldn't claim corporations are people. -- Anne Shaw
As a member of the Tea Party I was so proud of our members at the meeting last night. Polite, well spoken and knowledgeable on the issues. The talking points robots who came to be rude and shout down the Congressman looked ridiculous and ran for the back door when they saw our sides passionate representation. And Anne- I OWN a corporation and last time I checked I was a person. The unions are so mad that with CU we can now be on an equal spending level in supporting our candidates.
Gary Sack August 23, 2012 at 03:25 PM
I was not at the meeting last night, but support Lungren. Ami Bera supports the president's plans, which has led us to record 23 million unemployed and under-employed, a record 45 million people on Food Stamps, A Stimulus plan that was not shovel ready, and the giving of Stimulus money to cronies (Solyndra $525 million), and Pro-Obama ads on MSNBC to the tune of $500 million promoting "green energy," Stimulus, really? Also, the promise of "free" health care, which will further bankrupt us and restrict health care services. Ludicrious! We need an adult in the room, that's why Lungren would be my choice.
Jeannette Allen August 23, 2012 at 06:08 PM
I don't understand how anyone can think that Obama's ideas or policies are the right ones for our country. It is scary to see people jumping on the Obama bandwagon and they don't even know why. I am afraid for our country and my own personal well-being due to the fact that I have worked all my life, have struggled just as many of you have and now going on 70 years old, still working because I'm afraid not to. If I retire now and Obama gets in again, what will happen to any retirement I have accumulated? The taxes are already killing us (me) and if the Bush tax cuts are eliminated on January 1, 2013, I don't know how we'll pay for the new taxes. My husband and I are not well-to-do, not even close, and Obama promised that we in the lower middle class would not be subject to more taxes but that's not true. Think about it all you who want him to stay as president. That's all I ask.
Gary Fitzgerald August 23, 2012 at 06:27 PM
Congratulations on doing an excellent job of stenography. You would have made an excellent state journalist in the Soviet Union. Now, let's do some journalism. Almost every word out of Lungren's mouth was a distortion. The 90 versus 10 percent comment was a deliberate distortion to minimize the dissatisfaction in the room. (Assuming that civility meant not disrupting him while he was speaking.) At times, as much as half the room was shouting or making noise after some egregious statement by Lungren, and there were plenty. His $4.1 billion dollar a day number is sounds scary until you realize that the total federal budget for 2012, as passed by Congress, was $2,469 TRILLION. $4.1 billion is .00000166 of the budget. If you spend .00000166 daily then you are spending .00006059 annually. Since math is hard for most stenographers, lets make this simple. Say the government was a family earning $100,000 annually, (The majority of Americans would love to earn this much.) and needed to borrow .00006059 of their annual income. That comes to $6.06. So when Lungren says "we can't continue this way," maybe he could find a family earning $100,000 annually that believed that borrowing $6.06 was going to result in economic catastrophe for the family. If not, then, at best he's being disingenuous, at worst, he'd lying to us.
Ruth Crone August 23, 2012 at 06:38 PM
The young man from Florin should address his issues with his Congressional Representative, Doris Matsui. I am not sure why he thinks Congressman Lungren should arrange a town hall for an area which he does not represent. One of the first people to speak was a woman who said she had difficulty finding legislation pertaining to jobs that the house had passed. Here is a link that will help: http://www.gop.gov/indepth/jobs/tracker These two examples (I could have listed more) were indicative of the majority of the Congressman's detractors being long on emotion and short on fact.
Pam Pinkston August 23, 2012 at 10:25 PM
Hey, Gary---not only are YOU a yellow journalist---but you need to check your facts and figures and go back to school and learn math. According to the government figures at http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2012/assets/budget.pdf., on page 171, what the gov't projected to take in was $2,627 BILLION (not trillion, idgit), and will spend $3,729 BILLION, putting us $1,101 BILLION in deficit. If you take the $4.1 billion of deficit that Dan quoted and multiply it by 365 days of the year, you get $1,497 BILLION, within range of the deficit figure projected in the gov't budget figures in this report. ALSO, if the total spent is $3,729 and you had to borrow $1,101 of that, you are looking at 30% debt, NOT .0000016. But thank you for virtually demonstrating the level of intelligence embodied by the average paid protestor who showed up last night to hijack our community's town hall.
XPose300men August 24, 2012 at 02:43 AM
Look at the Truth - opponents outnumbered supporters by at least 2 to 1. Lungren is a washed up puppet of the gop (mockery of the real Republic). When he lectured us about how his parents taught him "proper" behavior, I thought, did your parents teach you to be a sell-out too? Lungren swore an oath to the constitution. I don’t see he kept it last night or years past. He baited the opposition with his inflammatory statements obviously trying to inflame the crowd. Is that serving the people? Dan has violated the public trust filling his pocket with $ vacations from the murderous money-elite-cartel. God help us if the naïve public let you lead us any further. The people united will never be defeated! The 1% depends on secrecy, control of public opinion (up to now achieved by owning main-stream media) and that we remain fearful, disorganized and ignorant. See through their lies for the sake of our kids. Get informed about building 7, 911 and the other lies. Organize and resist/protest this evil empire. We are free. We can decide how we want to live. Free
Sandy August 24, 2012 at 06:24 AM
Pose men, i was there last night. I didnt see us out numbered 2 to 1. Where were you sitting? Need to go see the movie 2016 Obama's Americs. Then comment on freedom. The bigger the government the smaller the citizen. Let's stop the name calling and get informed. Why does the government need to pay for everything? If this is an evil empire, then look at who's in control. Both in the federal and state government.
Ric B August 24, 2012 at 08:00 AM
I live in Arden Arcade, am a disabled vet.My mother,passed away recently, was on SSI/Medicare. I believe protecting SSI & Medicare for seniors is more important, than protecting oil subsidies! I heard a "Tea Party" person yell while, I was standing in line to ask ?s, & was one of the people that was not allowed to speak, in response to someone commenting on SSI, that people need to get a job & stop waiting for the gov't for handouts & entitlements. SSI/Medicare are INSURANCE, which people pay into their whole working lives, NOT AN ENTITLEMENT! I remember the "Tea Bagger" groups at townhalls during the ACA debate, as being the most unruly sort I've seen since the 60's.Now all of a sudden they want to dictate what behavior is acceptable!Ryan budget also creates deficits.Ryan formulations are unrealistic! For ex. he relies on impossible "full employment" figures/projections to justify some of his governmental revenue streams. This is pie-in-the-sky, best case scenario, fudging of the math! I don't understand how suppossed "Tea Party" types can support the Ryan budget(which every Republican in the house voted for, to include Lungren), when this is a man who voted for the Wall Street Bank Bailout, Auto Bailout, deficit spending under Bush! You are HYPOCRITES or at best Naive!
Ric B August 24, 2012 at 08:21 AM
"Pride before the fall"... the whole "tea party" concept is based on a false premise. The original tea party were not loyal British subjects, but rabblerousers who did not like the onerous laws passed by an unelected king & had no representation in the British gov't (House of commons or Lords). That is not the case here. You have an elected gov't, albeit, one you do not agree with, but your representative does voice/vote your ideals. You are not locked out of the system! Furthermore conservatives have run the gov't, as well as the Supreme Court, before & run the House of Reps now. I was at the t-hall. I agree most, but not all Tea Party types were polite, in the sense of well behaved. Some of them spoke condescendingly. I also heard & saw many yelling & booing speakers they did not agree with. It is not true anyone, on either side "ran for the back door". The constitution did not create business entities to have citizens(people's) rights, the conservative, activist supreme court did that, sir! Citizens United was upheld by a 5-4 conservative vote, that is what many citizens concerned about democracy are upset about. Your beef with unions is a distraction to our, not "tea party" types, struggles as citizens to keep our democracy & constitutional inalienable rights intact, sir!
David August 24, 2012 at 05:38 PM
People need to scream at the top of there lungs about the corrupt politics in this country Dan Lungren signed the NDAA in subsections 1021 and 1022 the NDAA states the government can arrest and detain you without just cause and hold you as long as they want without trial. I know many of you will claim thats not true so those of you who say that read the bill in the sections stated above.
David August 24, 2012 at 05:40 PM
So I would be careful how you protest soon you could be arrested!!!
Jeremy August 24, 2012 at 06:46 PM
I have no dog in this fight but I would like to point out to Pam that when you look at those reports and at the top it states "In Billions of dollars", if you see just the number 560 as an example, that means 560 Billion. When you see a number 1,560 that means 1 Trillion, 560 Billion. Hopefully that makes sense.
Robert James Frias August 25, 2012 at 07:05 PM
Who does Anne Shaw think owns most corporations? Is it not the stock holders and are they not people? Who creates most jobs that don't cost us more tax dollars? I don''t understand this kind of thinking and I am a poor retired man living on a fixed income. Why must government do for us? Can't we do for ourselves? can't we help one another? Even Obama say's that we most be our brothers keeper, although he doesn't even help his own brother, Gorge!
Votedemout August 27, 2012 at 08:32 PM
Lets make it so simple that even a rocket scientist like you can understand. In order to grasp the situation you need some perspective, not a $100k number pulled from your a..air. U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000 Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000 New debt: $1,650,000,000,000 National debt: $14,271,000,000,000 Recent budget cuts: $38,500,000,000 Now, remove 8 zeroes and pretend it’s a household budget: Annual family income: $21,700 Money the family spent: $38,200 New debt on the credit card: $16,500 Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710 Total budget cuts: $385 Looks like a catastrophe to me, a far greater catastrophe than $6.06 a day, and while the Dim-O-Rats have a great deal of the blame, there is certainly enough to go around in Washington. California is a completely different matter and it is folks with your mentality that have driven this state into the ground.
Votedemout August 27, 2012 at 10:41 PM
Oh, and by the way Einstein, I mean Gary, according to the CBO the 2012 federal budget as enacted, not passed (over the past three years your boy Reid would not even offer a budget much less pass one), was $3.59 trillion. What the good congressman was alluding to is that approximately 40% of that $3.59 trillion was borrowed money. Mostly from the Federal Reserve who just printed what they needed, thus destroying the value of the dollar, and accordingly your savings. Though by your math prowess, I doubt there is much of that. Just for the record, you missed the math in your example by 3 decimals.
Pam Pinkston August 27, 2012 at 10:49 PM
Wow, Votedemout! Sure wish this Gary guy had the guts to reply to our posts. But I can make an educated guess as to why he doesn't---he probably went back to San Francisco and is busy doing another task set to him by his Nancy Pelosi SuperPAC handlers. So much fake protesting and never enough time! You know how it goes. LOL!
EE HUNT August 29, 2012 at 08:58 PM
When there is a proposal to leave unaltered the taxes of all incomes under $250,000; so, that if someone is unforntunate enough to make $250,010, then they will pay an increased rate only for $10 ( or whatever the surplus ) above the $250,000..... Ask yourself who benefits when this proposal does not go through. Opposition to this is the type of mind washing that some media inflict upon the people. No question when expenses increase more revenue is required - no difference for a government budget than any household. This is not the idea of out of control, ever increasing spending or a rob the rich to increase the deficit schemes.
Editoreslie September 18, 2012 at 03:51 AM
Let's talk about small gov't. Lungren votes consistently to give himself privilege over women's bodies. He votes consistently to block access to birth control, to cancer screenings, to block women from accessing health care that WE PAY FOR. He helped organized Darell Issa's panel of all men speaking about the insurance coverage of birth control. (NOTE: The ACA change ensured that not only is birth control co-pay covered by your premiums, but that no state can deny birth control coverage. Prior to this, nearly half the states denied birth control coverage to paying customers.) He is a creep, a louse and a liar and deserves to go.
Editoreslie September 18, 2012 at 03:55 AM
Lungren's people were glad handing the biker group who had confederate flags on their jackets, making plans to preach the campaign. I think folks who align with the Tea Party were misinformed. One man said "they drove all these protestors in from San Francisco." I told him, "Nope, I support them and I live here." He just walked away...ha.
Editoreslie September 18, 2012 at 06:06 AM
*By WE PAY FOR, I of course mean that we women pay into private insurance and lungren is messing with it.

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